Value Electronics HDTV Shootout: And Then There Were Three... Page 2
One other important black level demo was conducted after the audience ballots were handed in to insure it did not affect the results. Here, the organizers did a direct comparision of absolute black level between the Panasonic ZT/VT, the Samsung F8500, and the reference Pioneer Kuro. This was an academic exercise given the Kuro’s out-of-market status, but one deemed necessary, both to ascertain the current state-of-the-art against the standard bearer and to address vocal skepticism surrounding a recent press demo held by Panasonic. In that dark-room demo, which I happened to see at Panasonic’s New York line introduction a few weeks ago, Panasonic directly pitted a last-gen 60-inch Kuro against the new ZT. Dark scenes played on both TVs in their default Cinema modes showed them essentially equal in black level.
At the Face-Off, the pedestal-mounted 50-inch Kuro monitor was moved to a countertop below the wall-mounted 65-inch Panasonic VT at the center of the room, so when viewed head-on, the images actually overlapped slightly. (The VT was used instead of the ZT for the viewing convenience of the audience; since both TVs exhibited the same dark-room black level, the substitution was deemed acceptable to all in attendence.) The experts played the original Pioneer Kuro demo disk through both TVs, a Blu-ray chock-full of clips that were intended to show off the Kuro’s superior blacks when it was first released. Although the sets looked relatively close on some fast-moving program material that mixed bright highlights with black backgrounds, it became very obvious on most moving content and any static graphics that the Kuro still had noticeably deeper blacks than either of the two contenders. Afterward, I stood a couple of feet from the sets and examined the screensaver from the Oppo Blu-ray player used in the tests; those familiar with the Oppo players know they use a bright white Oppo logo dancing on a dark black background. From that alone, it was clear we still have a ways to go to get a plasma that's equal to the Kuro, at least on black levels.
And The Winner Is…
In the end, the voting was so close among the three plasmas that Zohn felt the need to issue the results with an explanatory note, which you can read along with the attached scores. Among audience members, the Samsung barely took the top prize and was named the 2013 King of HDTV; despite its higher black levels, observers appreciated its punchy bright light output and deemed the set more versatile for different environments. They also noted what appeared to be a bit of extra sharpness in the Samsung’s image, an observation that was coincidentally shared by our own Tom Norton in his totally independent evaluation for our pending review (due out soon). The Panasonics tied for second place, but were it not for the Samsung’s brighter picture and perceived moving resolution, they would have taken the top prizes for their superior blacks.
The expert calibrators, meanwhile, also cast their own ballots and presented their preferences to the audience, though only after the audience ballots had been collected. Inasmuch as each does their home viewing in a darker room with controlled light and wouldn’t benefit from the Samsung’s higher light output, the consensus seemed to be a preference for the Panasonic VT. It was noted that the VT is less expensive than the ZT and more readibly available (the ZT is a limited quantity model that will remain a Best Buy/Magnolia HiFi exclusive until August). It’s slightly superior brightness to the ZT was also cited. However, the experts were extremely laudatory about all three sets, and didn’t hesitate to say the Samsung would be a great choice if they tended to watch in brighter conditions. My personal opinion leaned the same way; as a dark-room viewer, I saw the ZT as the best set overall and the VT as the much smarter value. But I could happily live out my days with the Samsung on that proverbial desert isle.
My thanks to Robert Zohn and the entire Zohn family for sponsoring and hosting this highly educational and fun event and making it available publicly, and to the three great technicians who did such a fine job tuning these HDTVs and demonstrating their strengths and weaknesses to the audience. You can learn more at ValueElectronics.com or see the edited event video at Youtube.com/HDTVShootout in the near future. The Shootout rankings and Zohn’s comment are attached.
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Just curious, would the introduction of a first-class video processor like a "Lumagen" in to the mix here working in conjunction with any of the LED/LCDs, when compared to the plasmas, help at all to close the gap on black levels and color accuracy?
I just bought a VT60 from him and I live in GA. Supposed to arrive in Wed. I'd rather support him and VE than a BestBuy type store. He offers much better customer service I love the Shootout.
Great right up! I look forward to this event each year with excitement. It's always very enlightening. Ive done business with Robert on a few occasions and it was always a pleasure. Hell of a nice guy. Its rare to find a guy as friendly and passionate as him.
So, obviously, the limitations in the technology of the LCDs on display, when compared to the plasmas, makes it that they just don't have the capability of achieving comparable black levels and this, to date, has generally always been the case. I must admit from my own personal biases, watching a movie on any LCD, regardless of the manufacturer, is generally always like watching a movie on a large computer, it just doesn't look "film like" and very real.
Having said all that and although I have yet to see one, it is interesting to note that reviewers have previously raved about the more expensive Sharp Elite line of LCDs and how comparable the blacks are to plasmas, but, for some reason, despite the technology being there, this capability has yet to filter down to less expensive lines of LCDs, OR is it coming?
Yes, I am frustrated by this myself. Even the new $20,000 plus 84" monsters from LG and Sony are using edge-lit. It is hard to grasp that the premium, flagship "Ultra" HD sets would use this compromised approach. Does any one really care whether a 7 foot panel is an extra inch thicker? It still looks thinner, by proportion than a 50 inch screen does with edge lighting. We know, and I have seen, that LED full array can match the mighty Kuro. So it is not really a question of which technology is, or can be better. I personally would prefer LED and be free of image retention and break-in issues. I'm either watching letter-boxed films or playing video games with static image elements. I would like to have seen this comparison if it had included an Elite, just to compare the best in each technology.
Good to see plasma fans are spoilt for choice. As Robert sold his Kuro 141FD used in previous shoot-outs, was the 50 inch pioneer supplied by D-Nice by any chance ? I ask this because he can drop the black level on most 101FD/500M sets to well below factory spec.
Sanjay
I've never been one to keep up with the latest technology...I was seem to be a few years behind (decades?) Anyway out here in the West everybody seems to think that LCD TVs are the best. I haven't heard anyone suggested a plasma is better in along time. Since a new TV will be an inevitable part of my future, I thank you for this information.
I am intrigued by the claim in that article that Panasonic is indeed using technology patents purchased from Pioneer in their latest designs. I spoke with them several weeks ago literally about this very topic ("Whatever happened to those patents we sold you?")and was informed that they had never implemented any of them because of cost in a very dicey market and economy. Instead they had used them as idea springboards for improving their own techniques. Predictably, I'm sure a lot has been lost in the translation. Regardless, the new panels from Panny are superb, no doubt about it, so hat's off to Panasonic!