Dear Jeff, I have the Denon AVR-1909 which is several steps below your 4308 but it has one funny quirk that ended up making CD playback sound horrible -- if you are using a satellite/subwoofer combination for speakers, for some reason the Denon defaults to "small speakers" in stereo mode and the result is sound with absolutely no bass and fullness. You have to go into the audio menu and configure the stereo mode for left and right speakers + LFE (subwoofer). As for the DTS Neo:6 mode, it sounds horrible for music on my receiver too.After you configure the stereo mode, you should get fairly good sound.
Lightning, Apartment Sound, CDs
I live in the Southeast where lightning is a serious problem. I was recently advised by an electrical contractor to have a whole-house surge protector installed. I am inclined to do this. However, I first wanted to find out if this would have a negative effect on my audio system.
Jim Williamson
I would also be so inclined if I lived where lightning was common. I don't think a whole-house surge protector will hurt your audio qualityin fact, it might actually improve if the system also filters and cleans up the AC. I can't guarantee anything, of course, but I'd go for it.
Apartment Dweller
I'm planning a theater in my apartment that will include Blu-ray and a front projector in the $2000 range (probably Mitsubishi or Epson). The space is fairly long and narrow with a 120-inch diagonal screen on the short side. I want to fill the room with enveloping sound, so I have been looking at 7.1 receivers.
My questions are: (1) how important are dipole side speakers in my space, and (2) should I get a receiver that will matrix 5.1 into 7.1? I've been looking at Onkyo, Pioneer, and Yamaha models in the $600 to $1200 range. Additionally, can you recommend a good side speaker?
Tim C.
I think dipole sides are very important in your spacethe surround channels should be diffuse for movie soundtracks in any event, and this is more difficult to achieve in a narrow space. I don't find 7.1 systems to be much more enveloping than 5.1, so I don't generally recommend them, especially since the back-surround channels are derived from a 5.1 source.
As for surround speakers, my best recommendation is to get a complete system from one manufacturer so that the tonal characteristics of all speakers are matched as much as possible. Don't mix and match speakers from different companies if you can help it.
In terms of receivers, I like Pioneer and Onkyo better than Yamaha because of some video-processing issues, though the lower-cost, previous-generation Onkyos do clip below-black and above-white video information. The higher-end Onkyos do not, nor does the new TX-SR607 ($600).
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First, let me say how much I like Ultimate AV. Out of all the sites on A/V, I connect with UAV and you in particular. Not snooty or condescending; just the right amount of tech talk and justified opinions.
Your review of the Samsung LN52A750 made me check it out. I was ready to buy a Sony XBR4, but I ended up getting the Samsung, and I love it. Then UAV sold me on the Denon AVR-3808CI A/V receiver, which was recommended in the AVR-4308CI review for those who don't need the 4308's bells and whistles, which I don't. It's a pain in the ass to understand what does what and how to do it, but movies sound awesome. Finally, I got the Samsung BD-P1500, a basic model to play discs; no BD-Live etc. that I won't use.
Blu-rays and DVDs look and sound great! But my CDs sound horrible, with no bass or fullness. They all sounded great on my old B+K AVR and $89 Sony DVD player. I use the DTS Neo:6 setting on the Denon for CDs. Any ideas? Is it the Denon? Is it the BD player? Should I get an old dedicated CD player?
Jeff Prentice
Thanks for the kind words! I'm glad you're happy with the Samsung TV and BD player and Denon AVR; all are excellent products. As for why CDs sound so bad, I'm not sure. Have you tried turning DTS Neo:6 off and listening to them in straight 2-channel mode? Have you tried any other surround-simulation modes, like Dolby Pro Logic II Music?
I must admit I've never tried playing CDs in the Samsungor any otherBlu-ray player. Maybe we should start doing that as part of our BD-player reviews. Have you tried connecting a dedicated CD player to the AVR and seeing how that sounds? If it still sounds bad, the fault is undoubtedly in the AVRthough it might not be faulty, it might just be the surround mode you've selected. If the CD player sounds good, the fault is in the BD player, in which case there's probably not much you can do about it except to use a CD player for CDs.
If you have a home-theater question, please send it to scott.wilkinson@sorc.com.
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Jeff, I was going to say exactly what Rezaul recommended. I'm a DENON CI certifited integrator, and here's a couple tips to go along with Mr. Hasan. If you're speakers are full range (3 way speakers, tweeter, mid-woofer, subwoofer), set your speakers to Large, and in the stereo playback setup set the sub for LFE+Main. In fact make sure in the subwoofer settings you have it always set for LFE+Main. CD's do not have descrete subwoofer information unlike 5.1/7.1 DD or DTS and their variants, so setting the sub for LFE+Main will send both the descrete sub signal, and the standard 2 channel low frequency section of the signal. Also play with the crossover setting in the AVR-3808, try it at 80 and at 100 and take note of your results. Additionally, have you ran the Audyssey calibration setup? That can definitely change the sonic qualities of your play. If you do plan on running audyssey, make sure and take down your settings first though, so you can do some A/B testing.
Adam, if you set the main speakers to "Large," doesn't that prevent frequencies below the crossover from being redirected to the sub? And since CDs don't have LFE information as you point out, the sub would not be used in that case, right? In general, I recommend setting the main speakers to "Small," even if they are capable of full-range playback, so the bass gets redirected to the sub. Perhaps setting playback to "LFE+Main" in the Denon sends the frequencies below the crossover to the mains and the sub, in which case I can agree with your recommendation as long as the main speakers are truly full-range.
Dear Mr Wilkinson,The Denon receiver has a separate "2ch Direct/Stereo" mode in its Audio Setup which somehow seems to be the default mode for two-channel playback, ie CDs played from a DVD, CD or Blu-ray player. Within that mode, one has to adjust settings for whether there is a subwoofer, a "subwoofer mode" (whether one wants LFE+Main or just LFE) and also for crossover.I am currently using small satellites and two subwoofers so I have it set to "small" and LFE+Main. Havent tried the receiver with large speakers as yet but you are right -- setting to "LFE+Main" sends frequencies below the crossover to both mains and sub. BTW, I just love this column and the practical hints it provides.
Jeff and Scoot, Like Rezaul just pointed out, whether you are in 2 ch. mode, or surround mode, LFE+Main will always send signal to the subwoofer. In general I agree that setting speakers to small works. In a situation where all speakers are the same brand, including the subwoofer, setting the main channels to large can increase sonic performance (assuming you have 3way full range speakers), but on the other hand you are putting more wear on the sub drivers of your three way speakers. This is probably one of the reasons a lot of speaker manufacturers don't make a ton of three ways anymore. Gotta love subs powered subs.
I have a Marantz surround receiver. I used to have the front three channels set to large because my speakers are large. But then I read an article which stated that I should set them to small when using a subwoofer and only use large when no subwoofer is active. I tried the two settings back and forth and realized that setting them to small revealed more detail with a larger soundstage than the large setting. Since then I've stuck with the small setting when using the subwoofer, which is almost all of the time, but when I bypass the receiver's processing and use the analog stage on my OPPO BDP-83, I switch the mains to large, since the subwoofer is no longer in use. It's always beneficial to take the time to experiment and listen for yourself, since it is your ears that you're aiming to please.
Amen, ECC!Adam, I agree that, if you have a sub, there's no need to put that extra wear and tear (hopefully not actual tearing!) on the full-range mains.Rezaul, thanks for the kind words! I'm very glad you enjoy this column and find some useful info.
I also agree that it would be helpful if you would include cd performance when reviewing bluray players. I am planning on moving my current BD player to my bedroom, sony bds300, and purchasing a newer model for my main hometheater. I will be using the BD player as an all around disc player. I would love to see if one BD player or another sounds better on cd play back. I would also like to include that your column is my favorite AV column on the net and I really love your style and the way you answer peoples questions. Keep up the good work Scott! Also, you did a fantastic job on the latest issue of Home Theater on explaining the basics AVRs!