I got an XMC-1 and I do agree with the sound quality being "Decision 1". I love the sound of the unit; best of all, it has reference quality analog audio (balanced XLR/RCA) path for reference audiophile two channels listening. I hope Emotiva keeps its promise on making the XMC-1 "completely modular and up-gradable to meet future standards."
Emotiva XMC-1 Surround Processor Review Test Bench
Audio Frequency response at preamp outputs of Dolby Digital decoder: Left (aqua): –0.02 dB @ 20 Hz, –0.13 dB @ 20 kHz. Center (green): –0.02 dB @ 20 Hz, –0.12 dB @ 20 kHz. LFE (purple): Normalized to level @ 40 Hz: +0.68 dB @ 20 Hz, upper –3 dB @ 63 Hz, upper –6 dB @ 76 Hz.
Analog frequency response in Reference Stereo mode:
–0.03 dB at 10 Hz
–0.00 dB at 20 Hz
–0.00 dB at 20 kHz
–0.02 dB at 50 kHz
Analog frequency response with signal processing:
–0.07 dB at 10 Hz
–0.02 dB at 20 Hz
–0.17 dB at 20 kHz
–11.31 dB at 50 kHz
Response from multichannel input to main output: –0.03 dB @ 10 Hz, –0.00 dB @ 20 Hz, –0.00 dB @ 20 kHz, –0.01 dB @ 50 kHz. Analog THD+N: less than 0.001% @ 1 kHz w 100-millivolt input and volume control set to +1.0. Crosstalk w 100-mV input: –103.30 dB left to right, –103.24 dB right to left. Signal-to-noise ratio 2 “A” weighting:–128.04 dBrA.—MJP
Video: The Emotiva outputs the same resolution as the input; that is, it doesn’t upconvert video. That doesn’t necessarily mean that such a pre/pro or AVR won’t compromise the input source; the signal must still pass through the switching circuitry. But the XMC-1 performed perfectly in that regard, with no issues on our clipping, resolution, and 3D pass-through tests.—TJN
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I'm an Emotiva fan and have lots of their stuff. However, my UMC-200 (now discontinued) doesn't have auto lip sync and to my knowledge this $2000 unit doesn't either. Yes, you can manually adjust it, but how old do you think that gets? The best audio quality in the world isn't worth a dime if it's out of sync.
Note to Emotiva - auto lip sync is a requirement.
I have the XMC-1. I don't have limpsync problems. I am not sure about the UMC-200. You could check their forums emotivalounge.proboards.com --or call Emotiva support for a solution. The timing is taking off the video via HDMI protocol. Maybe your TV/projector is doing heavy processing causing a delay hance sync problems.
type-o it's "Lip-sync"
I left my Lip sync at "Auto" and don't have a problem. Do you have any post processing video devices? No? Try defeating all video processing on your display. The HDMI works on video timing hence the sync in audio with video.
How would you compare these room correction systems??
What frequency does Dirac do its corrections at?? Audyssey does it at 48khz, ARC at 96khz.
It was a little unclear to me if you can do two separate corrections. In ARC you can do a separate 'movie' and 'music' configurations, which is great if you use different speaker configurations-- 7.1 and stereo 2.1 for instance.
I got the impression that you need to set each speaker level to 75db and enter each speaker distance before running Dirac. Is that correct??
If so how precise are the measurements?? To the foot? 1/2 ft.?, inch?
Am I correct in understanding that it does not balance dual subs prior to doing its room correction like Audyssey XT32 does, but the subs need to be balanced either with an outboard system like DSPeaker antimode 2.0 or similar component.
What is your reference pre/pro? it will say a lot about the XMC-1's audio. Are you comparing to an Integra 80.3 or an Anthem D2v?
Lots of questions, but I'm interested to find out more about the XMC-1 and Dirac.
Actually Audyssey is completely dependent on the hardware of the component. It can do processing up to 96kHz if the necessary DSPs are present, but in every implementation I've used it only goes up to 24kHz because of the lack of DSP processing power for it. Also Audyssey XT32 only does dual subs if it also includes SubEQ HT. Most XT32 components have it, but it's not a requirement for XT32.
Dirac is also taxing on the DSPs. I am not sure if it decimates PCM down to 48Khz like the usual Audyssey implemented, but 48Khz sampling rate is still above full-range. What system you had that goes up to 24Khz?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(signal_processing)
I meant it has a sample rate of 48kHz so it only works out to 24kHz. Dirac on the Emotiva works the exact same way.
I recently learned that Audyssey only decoded up to 48khz/16 but. Is that true? Because that would seem to render any hi rez content completely moot.
Also, how can it do processing up to 96kHz with the "necessary DSP"? Could you expand on that if you don't mind?
Audyssey typical implementation usually down-samples to 48Khz/24Bit if native file is 24bit. I am not sure about 16bit, but it's up to the AVR manufacturers DSPs implementations.
According to Audyssey, there is nothing about Audyssey that causes it to be limited to a 48kHz sample rate. Sample rates up to 192kHz or even beyond would be supported. Since correction to 96kHz or 192kHz takes at least 2x or 4x as much processing power as to 48kHz, manufacturers would need to install 1-2 more DSP units to be able to do this. Since most people don't care, and if you can hear that difference is up for debate, it isn't worth it to the companies to support this. So someone could do this, but their unit would cost more than other models with similar features, and it's a feature more people wouldn't understand when they're trying to sell it.
That certainly makes any disc that is 96/24 multi channel essentially worthless. What a total downer if you're looking to listen to hi rez content.... Does anyone know if it decodes full resolution (196/24) in 2 channel??
The implementation of Audyssey on most audio equipment only allows 48khz sampling rate @ 24bit. The reason is because 48khz sampling rate it could reconstruct frequencies up to 22 kHz. Typical human ears could only hear up to 20Khz; hence, giving an AVR extra DSP power at greatest cost for something that most people in the planet wouldn't notice is efficient.
The issue would be how it Audyssey decimates higher PCM sampling rate files of 88, 96 or 192khz down to 48Khz. This computer code could negatively affect sound quality; since now, the native "sound" or bits of the PCM file is being re-sample on the fly to 48Khz. This is one of many reasons most audiophiles don't use EQ and only listen to stereo --but this is all preference.
I have had two of their preamp processors and they are just not reliable over more than a year. My second would not output to the subwoofer...sent it back..yet they were unable to fix it and finally got my full money back...
Emotiva has a five years warranty on most of their equipment. This show how confident they are about their build quality --but I am glad you got your money back.
For highend processors I wish the reviewers would compare the DAC preformace against a known high performer like the OPPO 105. I need to get a new processor but also need to upgrade my Blu-ray. Which would sound better for audio performance... analog input from a 105 or digital input from the OPPO 103?
John, it would be hard to tell the deference between top-of-the-line DACs. The Oppo 105 is an excellent player, but you're looking to update, right? Well, UHD BluRays should be out by the end of the year. If I were you, I would wait. Get something with the latest technology; so you don't need to upgrade again.
The XMC-1 has Dirac which helps with movies, games, music room EQ. It would get HDMI 2.0a, once the standard is set in stone. This mean your new UHD BluRay player would be support once is out. The XMC-1 as analog in. You could use the DAC in a BluRay player like the Oppo. You're ears will tell you which is "best".
In addition, Emotiva said they will keep updating the XMC-1 unit to keep up with the times. I am not sure what this means, but time will tell.
This is John again. My real qustion was intended to elicit a comparison of the XMC-1 Dac versus a well known DAC as is in the OPPO 105. If the XMC is superior then I would not waste the extra money on a more expensive Blu-Ray (UHD or not). I wish reviewers compared the analog input versus digital/HDMI inputs on high end procesors. That simple comparison could save guys like me hundreds of dollars (much more including RCA cables) if the processor digital input and DAC coversion is as good as the analog outputs of high end players like the OPPO 105. Thanks!
In theory, the DAC in the Oppo 105 is better; however, it all depends on the execution on how Oppo implemented the SABRE DAC in their BRP. My understating, it’s the best Blu-Ray player in the world, with the best DAC in the world, on paper. Since, they’re zero comparison between XMC-1 and Oppo 105 sound quality; weight your decision on the feature it brings.
XMC-1 is a processor, so it will give your room EQ, like Dirac, REW support, many HDMI connections, etc. You could use the Oppo 105 as a ‘baby’ processor, but it would scarce the extra HDMI for your other components, room EQ, etc.
If I were you, I would get a processor; and latter get the following Oppo model to the 105, with native 4K, once money allows. The 105 soon will be replaced with a native 4K model. The XMC-1 will be there for some time to come.
“I wish reviewers compared the analog input versus digital/HDMI inputs on high end procesors.”
The analog input in the XMC would bypass the DAC in the XMC-1 and it would use your source’s DAC (Oppo). This is helpful; because it “future proof” the unit by allowing you to use newer/better DACs. Using the HDMI in the XMC-1, would use the DAC in the XMC-1. As far as cables, just get nice build quality cables, and don’t fall for the snake-oil marketing of cable makers. Talk to any electrical engineer or recording studio processional. They don’t use fancy brands cables with exotics “features”: why is that? lol
Anyway, what will you pair the oppo/processor with?
If the XMC-1 did NOT offer a step-up in SQ over the Oppo 105 then I think there would be something wrong with Emotiva's value proposition. After all, it is a dedicated pre/pro (plus tuner) costing significantly more than the Oppo, which is a multi-function device.
By the by, as an Oppo 105 owner I don't think its DAC implementation is anything special, however it may look on paper. Connecting its stereo co-ax output to an external DAC (in my case Metrum Octave Mk I) produces a marked improvement in energy and overall SQ compared to the Oppo's rather lazy delivery.
As a pre/pro the Oppo is also quite basic, with limited functionality that omits any equalisation, dialogue lift, etc, or varying crossover points for each speaker.
For all that, it would be interesting to know how the XMC-1 and 105 compare on SQ, back to back (when the Oppo is used as a source)....